Pivoting from Collegiate Coaching to Business Leadership: John's Journey to Impact-Driven Training and Education

Ready to discover the secrets behind a successful career pivot? Join us as we chat with John, a former collegiate strength and conditioning coach, who made the bold move from the Director of Sports Performance at Oral Roberts to launching his own business in Dallas. Learn firsthand about the motivations that drove him to leave the increasingly transactional world of college sports and create a more value-driven, impactful training and education program for young athletes and coaches.

John opens up about the challenges and triumphs of starting a new venture, and how aligning his actions with his core values has transformed his professional and personal life. Inspired by resources like Brett Ledbetter's "What Drives Winning," John emphasizes the importance of understanding what truly matters. By prioritizing family and time control, he has shifted his focus to fostering meaningful, long-term relationships with younger athletes, highlighting the fulfilling aspects of his new path. We also discuss the importance of a reflection practice to ensure that one's actions remain in harmony with their goals.

Our conversation takes a deep dive into productivity techniques like the Pomodoro Technique and the MacGyver Method, and how incorporating them into your routine can enhance creativity and efficiency. John shares how coaches and mentors have shaped his journey, illustrating the distinction between transactional coaching and transformational mentorship. We conclude by exploring the value of integrating insights from various fields, underscoring how lateral thinking can lead to innovation and a unique approach in both business and strength and conditioning. Don’t miss John's invaluable insights and the powerful reminder to seek inspiration from diverse disciplines.

Chapters

• 0:42 Transitioning From College Athletics to Business
• 14:09 Aligning Values and Actions for Success
• 19:20 Morning Reflection and Mindful Walks
• 22:53 Coaching Impact and Continuous Development
• 36:49 Cross-Disciplinary Insights for Success

Transcript

Rob: 0:42

what's going on, guys? Today we've got my buddy john on. John man, how's it going? Haven't seen you since speaker school. I believe it was uh out in arizona. So catch me up, man, how are you doing?

John: 0:56

yeah, I mean it's it's been good, um, and I had to spend a couple months just now, but really that feels like just yesterday. I feel like it's been flying by, um, because you know, like when I was just there with you in the beginning of June, like that was kind of right after I made that transition to leaving college athletics, get into the business side, and I just feel like you know, with all the things doing that, it's been it's been flying by getting that started and, yeah, time flies when you're having fun right.

John: 1:23

Yeah.

Rob: 1:24

Exactly so perfect segue there. Why don't you share a little bit about who you are and kind of what you're doing now?

John: 1:33

Yeah for sure. Yeah, with that transition. So I'm a string of shinny coach, have been in college athletics kind of my whole career, was working there for a while, kind of building up. Most recently I was the director of sports performance at Oral Roberts in Tulsa and then kind of made the decision to get out of college athletics and come start my own business and so moved back.

John: 1:55

I grew up in the Dallas area so I moved back to Dallas, started my own business where I'm still doing training, working with athletes and building that side of it, but also trying to build in this side of working with coaches and working in the education side too, where I have the more experience with working with athletes and kind of build that side a little easier at first but at the same time really ultimately a long-term vision of getting more into that education and working with the coaches side.

John: 2:24

And so with that, like this summer I kind of ran it was a small group with, it was called principles of player development program and just working with a group of both strength coaches and basketball coaches on like how do we, how do we develop athletes holistically and not just like from one silo or the other but like as a whole, athlete and just just having having a place with that where there's resources. But also we came together zooms and had guest speakers and it was just really cool environment discussion, um, and that's kind of led now to kind of keeping those zooms going, just kind of having a space to bring people together and learn new ideas and have kind of cross-pollination of ideas and just build more into that education side along with with the athlete side yeah, I love that, I love the community aspect and leaning into each other and accountability and such uh.

Rob: 3:17

but I gotta ask you, like, what made you want to make that shift from being in the collegiate world into taking things on your own adventure?

John: 3:27

And it sounds like shifting more into coaching coaches looking at like the alignment of like what I, what I said I valued, and like what my life actually was and what the job kind of brought with my life and what college athletics was, and and thinking, like you know, with with the way this life is right now and the schedule and just things like is this like who I say I want to be?

John: 4:01

Is this who, is this aligned with the husband and eventual father, like I want to be down the line and just really looking at that, you know, over a period of time is, you know, is like no, like I want it to be different and create a different life with that.

John: 4:19

And then part of it too is really just, you know, as I'm sure you've seen, kind of with just the transfer portal and nil and just kind of all that aspect, I started getting the feeling just things were a little more transactional within that that world and I even felt it like myself, like internal feelings and thoughts of the way I looked at things became more transactional and you know that wasn't why, like I became a coach and wanted to coach, you know it was about the relationships and impacting people and I really didn't like that feeling that I was having and the way you know it was preceding things a little bit so kind of, with all that it's time to make a change and obviously there's a lot of uncertainty there and anxieties there and you know sunk costs there in terms of the time spent within college athletics and you know being able to get to a director position at a really great school and spot at a pretty young age and you know thinking of where I could progress to further down my career and kind of you know leaving all of that for something new and unknown.

John: 5:29

But I'm definitely happy and, like we said, like it's been flying by and has felt, I think, like you said, like having fun, but really just every day has felt really purposeful with doing that and getting to create something and get into more of that coaching coach aside too and just be able to be, you know, have the time to choose the things that I do and the people that I work with and and all of us had purpose then every single day, every, every moment of it yeah, I'm, because I remember when I launched my own coaching business and it was, it was pretty scary and the anxiety, the unsure and that kind of it weighs on you a little bit.

Rob: 6:15

But then at the same time it is kind of like a breath of fresh air because you have the freedom to kind of take things how you want to. Because you have the freedom to kind of take things how you want to and although that there's no, there's no one perfect way to do anything, there is tons of ways of getting it done and I think that motivated me because I'm like, okay, I can kind of take the reins and figure out how I want to do this, based off of people and mentors and other people that I learned from. Kind of create my own thing and make it my own. Really, really enjoyed that yeah, for sure.

John: 6:48

Yeah, I mean I definitely resonate that where it's. You know, when I was a state coach in college, it's like I'm the support staff to the head coach and the program and the athletes and I can, you know, with like I can do a great job but we still might not win. Or you know all these different things. But like now with the business, like I'm getting, like I'm the sole person that gets to create this and like determine the outcome of it, and you know it's the output's based off more of my input, whereas in college athletics it could be completely different, you know yeah, um.

Rob: 7:27

So now that you've got things kind of rolling and obviously there's big, uh big sacrifices for making that jump, um, what are some other like personal things that you might like? Had to switch around because I imagine you still got long hours, a little probably a little bit different, but they're still probably equally as long. A lot of work still going. Um, so what kind of sacrifices have you made since the obvious big major change.

John: 7:55

Yeah, I mean, you know, like you're saying, like I mean there's definitely still a lot of like you know, I'm working plenty of hours, you know, early mornings and now, like, especially like on the training side, working with a lot of high school kids, like now they're back in school, so now most of the training with them is on like evenings and stuff, so there's later nights there, um, so you know, I feel like I've had a few conversations with people.

John: 8:16

It's like, oh, like you probably have like way more like freedom or just like work like bastards, like I'm still working a ton, um, but like with that it's just, it's really purposeful.

John: 8:27

But I think with that, like you know, obviously in this stage, like there's a like I I can't make everything perfect for the business right now like there's that foundation of trying to build it and sacrifices in terms of the hours aren't always going to be perfect right now and you, you know I can't be as selective with everything as maybe I can get to in the future, when, when it's more established and built up, um, so trying, trying to, you know, find that balance, especially like with my wife of making sure you know I'm going to have the time for her and the schedule for her, while balancing trying to build the business at the same time.

John: 9:03

And make sure that you know, like I spoke before, like the values of what we want in our life when I made that decision to leave college athletics that I'm not just gonna do the same things in a different manner in the business. But okay, even though I'm trying to build these things and there's gonna be sacrifices with that, making sure that those those key values we we've talked about wanting in our life and how we want to build that I'm still holding true to those when I make decisions of building it.

Rob: 9:35

So part of the thing we were just mentioning how now you've got the freedom to kind of pick and choose where you want to go with things and align it with the values how do you keep your motivation, how do you keep showing up more and how do you not just be like, okay, let me just snooze in, I, I can kind of push this to the side, kind of thing? What motivates you and how do you stay intentional with with everything that you do?

John: 10:00

yeah, I think there's, I think, a couple things like one like I think this partly goes with the choice to start my own business. Also, a little bit is like I like to do multiple things or like go in multiple areas instead of just like kind of being in the same lane like over and over every day and like having monotony to there. So, like with the business, like doing different aspects of the business with like the working with the coaches, working with the athletes, like working on, you know, a book, and just different, different things throughout there, I feel like kind of stimulates and engages me by having that variety and variability there, rather than just kind of, okay, I'm doing the same thing every day, every day, every day. Um, so I think's that's one thing that helps motivate, engages me every day. But then I think also like with with the business where like okay, now, like these people are like directly paying me for this service.

John: 10:58

I think there's a like, a response, a weight or responsibility kind of feel with like they're directly paying me. I need to provide a really high quality service. Not that I didn't feel like that in college, but I remember with the first program I was doing with the coaches. One of them sent in the payment to do it and just knowing their situation, where they're at, I know this was a sacrifice for them to do and it's like that makes me feel even more personal, like I've got to do a great job, I'm providing a great service for them. So I think I think there's even more of that kind of just personal weight and responsibility to do a great job for the people that are directly paying me.

Rob: 11:39

Yeah, yeah, cause it's it. Yeah, yeah, because it's it all falls on you like success and failure and it's, it's all on you, no matter what how that outcome is. Yeah, and plus reputation and a lot of other things are kind of on the line aside from just like your livelihood and family's livelihood too, so it's like a lot relying on that um and that can like to, to being an entrepreneur and having your own business is not for the lighthearted, because there is a lot of different stressors that pop in.

Rob: 12:13

There's a lot of different things that happen that send you into a whirlwind. How do you cultivate like the mindset of, like the resilient mindset so that you can handle some of these stressors and different things you've got going on? What makes you fit for the position, I guess Is it just your background in strength and conditioning or is it a specific training or anything like that?

John: 12:40

I mean I feel like working in college athletics definitely helps with that in terms of I mean, there's just in college athletics, there's just always stuff popping up. I feel like you have to be really adaptable and flexible with what you're doing. And you know, okay, the head coach is changing the schedule completely every day. You know, okay, the head coach is changing the schedule completely every day. I mean there's plenty of times where you did not know the schedule until the night before or even the day of. So you're kind of living on that day-to-day basis all the time and like there's constant flux of different things and you know all types of relationships have to deal with and different responsibilities. So I mean I feel like a lot of that kind of applies to entrepreneurship in terms of the day-to-day changes that you're having to deal with and just being adaptable with all types of people. Um, just kind of in a different context a little bit, um, yeah, I mean, I think it, I think it kind of flows into that.

Rob: 13:41

so essentially, um.

John: 13:43

You know, business owner is a little bit easier than conditioning coach yeah, I mean they both definitely have their uh, their, their challenges, their ups and downs, but, but I mean they both definitely have their uh, their, their challenges, their ups and downs, but but I mean they're both great, they're both great um, we kind of started off this conversation with you leading into what you're doing now and kind of the reason why you made this shift, and I heard you talking about values.

Rob: 14:09

Do you mind like sharing a little bit about your values personally? And then also, how did you, how did you even like come aware of that? Because that takes a certain level of awareness. I feel like kind of like okay, I need to change something because it's not aligned with what I actually find.

John: 14:29

Yeah, I mean I I think like especially thinking of this, you know the thought process you're talking about right now, the values, like. I think the biggest thing was like what's really important and like one one. There's a company called what drives winning. I don't know if you've heard of it. Um brett led better. He's kind of the main one of the main people with that. He's got quite a few books. A lot of it has to do with, like, uh, the character skills within athletic development, but then they also they run different conferences, seminars every year and then he has a book kind of based around that seminar, and one of them was called like what's really important and it was basically looking at you, a bunch of highly successful head coaches and kind of the compromises some of them have had to make to get to the point where they're winning championships, where, like, what they say they value doesn't really align with what their actions show. They value doesn't really align with what their actions show they value.

John: 15:34

Um, and and so I was throughout the year I was really reading a lot of that stuff and and watching a lot of their videos and it's really resonated with me and then, you know, just thinking with some of it too. It's like when I think about, just like I mentioned before, kind of of like the the husband and the eventual father want to be, like is this, what kind of the schedule? Like I want that to look like we're traveling on time, late nights, or you know, I think one of the big things too is just the, the amount of events you'd have to miss, like with with family, and the amount of times where, with my wife, she's like okay, like we got asked, but there's this thing in a month or whatever, and it's like can we do that? I'm like I'll tell you that, like I won't know the night before. Like so just like probably just having more of that odd time control and be able to make sure I'm prioritizing my wife and my family and, when we have kids, making sure that I'm able to be there for them and, in the way, and, like we said before, like it's still gonna be long hours, but being able to kind of shape that a little bit more into what creates, you know, a better setting for for all of us.

John: 16:42

Um, and then again with with what I was talking about, with like the transactional and transformational stuff, with the portal, and now just a little bit of the setting of it right now.

John: 16:51

Like you know, I I became a coach because of the coaches I had in my life growing up and some of them, just like I know, I wouldn't be here who I am today without them, so that that was why I coached, because those relations have formed through sports with coaches and with with other friends and stuff, and I wanted to have that type coaches and with with other friends and stuff and I wanted to have that type of same impact on on other athletes and people and I just felt like part of it was kind of shifting away from that, like you know, partly like with the poor, like most of the time now you're with kids for like eight or nine months and then they're going somewhere else and then there's all these money involved and everything and it was just it was just harder to have those more impactful, lasting relationships.

John: 17:33

Um, that I kind of got into it for and I think that's that's been one thing that's been cool with now working with more of these younger, you know, kids in high school, middle school, where it's like I know, I think you know some of these kids I could work with for a long time now three, four, five, whatever years and it's also in a stage in their life where you know you can make a huge impact on them, both athletically but also just in their development as a person, with how young they are yeah, make some seriously positive impressions on the uh guys.

Rob: 18:07

Yeah, one of the reasons why I love coaching and uh continue to do in person like one-on-one strength training, personal training with some younger high school kids and um, just because helping them kind of hopefully set some ground rules and create their own principles to kind of bring on to the next level and carry on throughout their lives, so it's meaningful to me, so I hope that it's meaningful to them as well, for sure.

Rob: 18:33

So you touched a little bit on your thinking a lot and I know being a business owner and having a lot of different projects on kind of become crazy with your schedule, and so I was just wondering if you have like a specific reflection practice or time where you kind of check in with yourself because I know it's difficult to even find time to make the time and stuff so thinking that that should have a priority, but then also having the time to check in with yourself mentally and checking in with how things are going, making sure that your actions are aligned with your goals. So I was kind of curious on what your approach is and how you handle that.

John: 19:18

Yeah, I would say like a big. A big thing for me is kind of the morning time. You know, get pretty early and try, and you know, not like not even look at my phone or do any of that and get, and usually that's kind of when I try and do my deeper work before, you know, having to worry about communicating with anybody or like kind of different distractions getting in the way and with that kind of being able to spend time for some of those deeper thoughts. But with that also, um, you know, try and try and find time to begin, we're trying to just get away from distractions and let my mind wonder or think about these things, which sometimes that's in in car, car rides, where it's okay, instead of putting on a podcast or music, like let's just have silence on and let kind of my mind go through these different things. And then I try and usually go for some type of walk, um, usually towards the end of the day, and okay, I'm not, I'm not bringing my phone or anything with me, and just like, let myself kind of go through these different thoughts as I'm walking. And usually that that time where, even if it's not like I'm going to directly think about it but just kind of let my mind think about the different things that have been going on throughout the day and and kind of make sense of those can. I think is really valuable for me.

John: 20:35

And then I'm also working um with a coach, uh, miranda Holder, and she has a great job kind of, you know, helping with that and and I think even just having that setting of having a coach makes me be more intentional and working on some of that stuff in preparation for talking with her and then, you know, talking with her, just going deeper into that. So yeah, I think all that together allows time. But I mean, there's definitely times where you know it's a busy day and you go through and it's like I was just doing stuff all day and I don't know that I really was able to think about anything. I really was able to think about anything. And you know for me, like when, whenever I do have stuff in the morning and I don't get that early morning work time like I usually, that I don't like those days and it kind of messes up that day, I feel like where I don't get to have that more intentional deep thought or deep work time in the morning.

Rob: 21:22

Yeah, yeah, I can relate to that. I have plenty of days where I'm totally not present. I'm just kind of going through things and come through later. Actually I was just long, long ass day, yeah. But yeah, I love that you touched on that. You know, uh, you know, they call that silent cardio. Now we go out for a walk and don't have any headphones or music or anything. I didn't. I didn't know that there was like a name to it now, but I guess that's what cool kids are doing.

Rob: 21:52

Yeah, but I also do the same thing with the car too. I'll turn the music off and just kind of like not even necessarily or try to think about anything, just kind of let my mind kind of wander and figure things out.

John: 22:04

Usually I don't think I consider it a form of meditation, but it definitely helps me think a little bit clearer yeah, I was just saying with that, like one thing I've kind of dug into a lot is like flow state and I don't know if you're too familiar with that, but especially during this this past year, I really thought about a lot with like the sequencing of my days and you know kind of the stages as, like you do, like the first stage is like deep work, so you know you're working at something intentional, kind of through that struggle, uh, that struggle phase, and then the second part of it is, like they call it a release, where you step away from it and you know that could be going for a walk or some you know driving or whatever.

John: 22:54

Like you know, a lot of times, like you're maybe you're in the shower and you know you have those random ideas pop out where, like you step when you step away after that struggle phase and go into that release, where you're not intentionally thinking about it but your mind is actually like working on it and that's kind of when you can drop into that flow, um, so so I've tried to like sequence, that even when I was in college athletics, like I think about it where, okay, I try and find those blocks where I could actually have some like intentional work time for like that struggle time.

John: 23:24

But then I know there's gonna be a lot of times it's distractions. So like, let's set up. You know, if I, you know, like last year, like I've I've cooked breakfast out on the the griddle for the guys all the time, so like let me do some deep work, and then I'm gonna after that set it up where that's when I go into cooking breakfast, where I'm kind of just doing that activity, where we might kind of work on that stuff. But if, like, guys come in and start distracting me, like it's okay, um, and just trying to sequence those different things a little bit better to make make more of that time it's kind of like the uh, what's it called the pomodoro technique.

Rob: 23:56

Are you familiar with that?

John: 23:58

I don't know if I've heard of that one. Um, I've heard of the macgyver method. Um, where, like you know the show macgyver, where you always come up with things, but the guy that actually wrote that form kind of created this method, where it's kind of based off the flow stuff, where, like he would kind of do all this stuff and then he'd do some type of activity, kind of just let his mind wander, come back to it and just start writing or whatever, and then, like the ideas would start coming out for him of of writing this, the script yeah, yeah, that's pretty close.

Rob: 24:27

The um, the pomodoro I think it's called pomodoro technique is when you just set a timer and you do like 20 minutes of hard like work and then, once that timer rings, you give yourself like five or ten minutes to just turn your brain off and go do something to distract yourself and then, once that's up, you come back and the idea is just like working those cycles, yeah, um. So it kind of sounds like just like working those cycles.

Rob: 24:49

Yeah, so that kind of sounds like what you're talking about yeah, that sounds kind of the same thing yeah, um, you were touched on your coach that you're working with currently. Then you also talked about how your coach is growing up, where such a big influence on on your life. Essentially, you share a little bit more about the mentorship and why you think that coaches have such a big part for you in your life. Why were they such an impact?

John: 25:23

yeah, I mean, I think, you know, one thing I've looked back on is, like you know, I had some of those coaches that were such a big impact, but then there was also coaches I had where, you know, there's like that's not how I want to be as a coach, um, so I think you see both sides of that, but but the coaches that were really impactful for me, you know, I mean it's first of all, I didn't start out like like, so, like the relationship that we had, like like one of one of those coaches, my, my strength coach, from seventh grade through my senior year of high school, like he was. He was, you know, a groomsman in my wedding, you know a little over a year and just the impact he had on me, yes, athletically, but just the relationship we had and just pouring into me as a person. Like you know, obviously, like we talked about before, some of these athletes we don't be with them a long time. I mean he was my coach from 7th to 12th grade and then you know that relationship throughout there and until this day, um, so just the amount he poured into me in terms of not just as an athlete but as a person.

John: 26:32

And then you know, one other one I I can think of, just kind of through that high school time. I probably worked for about three or so years, but I remember like I would have to travel a little further to go work with him and I just remember every night after working with him I'd be leaving there and I just felt on fire with a belief in who I was as an athlete and a person, from the transformational impact and belief he had in me and it helped me see more of what I could be as an athlete and a person through his belief. Um, so I I think I think that was huge and, and you know, I think something huge we can do as coaches is sometimes we can see in in athletes or in the people we work with, things they can't see about themselves and what they can become and who they can become, and and help try and paint that, paint that picture for them and and push them that way and just show them that vision of what they can strive for, um, beyond what they even think.

Rob: 27:38

Yeah, that's, that's powerful stuff too. Plenty of guests on the show in the past talking about mentors and coaches and uh, show in the past talking about mentors and coaches and, uh, topic of conversation almost always goes to just relying on the coach for the experience to expedite their process, to get where they're going. But not many people have mentioned the vision, what the coach has in them. I think that really is super beneficial to the client or to the individual and that really does separate good coaches from, like, great coaches. I've worked with plenty of coaches in the past mentors who I just knew that they just didn't care or they were just kind of like it's so transactional, like you were saying before, and you can really feel that. And then when there are people who you're working with or communicating with, who actually feed into you and bring you up higher instead of just kind of like showing you the way to kind of pull you forward, for sure um, yeah and uh, so I wanted to ask a little bit more about what you've got going on.

Rob: 28:46

Are you new projects? Are you continuing with these Zoom calls? Are you feeling a little bit more on that whole situation?

John: 29:05

I'm not planning on running that till, probably later in the the at the end of the school year next summer, just as I try and figure out the best time for that, probably mostly during summers when coaches aren't as locked up with the school year and in season and everything.

John: 29:17

But with some of the coaches that were on that, like we all just felt it was so valuable, even just the zoom part and the unique discussions we had and just just placed to really come there and talk about the things, the discussions we're having, and so kind of kept that on. Now where I'm, I'm not having like resources involved with it or like a specific time commitment, but more just a monthly thing where twice a month we have the zoom we actually had the second one last night. We're kind of anybody come be a part of it and just again have those conversations and have different, you know perspectives and different types of you know strength coaches, sport coaches, different all types of coaches on there to have these conversations in place to share and grow and network and connect with each other. So yeah, that part's going on just kind of on more of a continual, ongoing basis.

Rob: 30:12

What are some of the topics of conversation that you're having on these calls? Is it specifically just programming? Is it nutrition? Is it a little bit more like leadership and development? Can you explain to me about that and I'll let you dive in with that first yeah, so the, the actual program, the six-week program that I ran, that was.

John: 30:35

So that was principles of player development but, like I said, like holistic where it's, it's not just training coaches, it's not just basketball coaches, like how do we develop athletes to be the best athlete? So it kind of started out the foundation of like character, skills and collaboration and clarity, like as a staff, how we're doing that. And then we got into more specific things of like how are we designing a week and planning out a week with everything involved going into that and aligning different stuff. And then we got into skill and development and motor learning. And then we got into more like long-term annual planning with everything aligned. Um, and then the the last week of the curriculum was more looking at like autonomy and individualization and principles of that. So that was it was kind of like really looking at holistic aspects of kind of how do we fit it all together, but not just for a strength coach or anything. But then now that now we've got into more of these ongoing zooms where it's not based on a curriculum, it's even more wide ranging, where, like the first week, we really dug more even in, like some of the coaches really liked when we got into the character skills and character development, all that. So we kind of dug more into that.

John: 31:48

And then, you know, last night we got into really some like psychological aspects, like okay, like how are we supporting our athletes when they have a season ending injury?

John: 32:00

Like how are we keeping them engaged with the team and keeping them motivated and not letting them drift from the program? Or you know, how do we help ourselves like become invaluable to the program organization we're working with um. You know how, um, how do we, with a player that's not getting any playing time, like how do we help them stay motivated and still try to develop? And you know know, even get into like we were talking about fourth of belief, like how do we show a belief in them when maybe they feel like the coaching staff doesn't believe in them but that they still should stay motivated and have someone believing and backing them? So, like, really every week's going to be different, it's going to be wide ranging and just you know there'll be times when there's guest speakers on there and there's specific topics, but really just a place where it's kind of directed, based off like what's going to help the different people in it and like what do they want to talk about? What's going to be valuable to them? Oh, nice.

Rob: 32:58

yeah, I mean that sounds super interesting and I know a lot of uh, a lot of listeners here also have different coaching backgrounds and everything, so I think they would also benefit from hearing some of these conversations.

John: 33:12

Yeah.

Rob: 33:13

Well, so where can, how did, where do they go to hear find out more about this and some of the other next cohort and things you've got going on? Can people join these Zoom calls, or do you have that closed off right now?

John: 33:30

can people join these zoom calls or do you have that closed off right now, or yeah? So, um, the you can go to my website, johnbloomcoachingcom, and there's a part under the coaching part with the strength, strength and numbers community. That's kind of what it's called and so, yeah, that that'd be open to anyone and you know I'd encourage if anybody wants to talk to me about it. They could email me there on the website or put in a form or info at johnbloomcoachingcom or reach out on Instagram at johnbloom30. And we can get on a call or text and kind of talk about it, like I'd love to tell them more and, you know, let them try it out and see what it looks like for them.

John: 34:02

But, yeah, definitely open, just trying to bring in different people from you know, different areas and different perspectives and different viewpoints, because I think that's where the biggest value has been. It's just not having the same like people from the same exact job or same exact setting, but having these different roles where you know the basketball coach can see the perspective of the strength coach and the strength coach see the perspective of the basketball or volleyball coach, and then they can bring that perspective to their own staff or their own situation, when maybe they don't usually get that perspective from these different discussions or topics yeah, yeah, no, I find that super, super beneficial.

Rob: 34:42

I don't remember the exact quote, but, uh, something about kind of like mastermind, one mind plus one mind equals three minds, power of three minds. I guess Community and getting together and being able to shoot some ideas back and forth and get that perspective is super valuable and very helpful too. I do want to be courteous. At the time, so said email our website, john bloom coachingcom easiest place to kind of stay up to date with what you've got going on.

John: 35:16

and then your social media, uh, is another easy place to kind of get in touch with you yeah, for sure, yeah, uh, instagram definitely the best on uh x, but probably don't use it too much so yeah, I keep catching myself calling it twitter still so I was about to call it twitter um well, john, thank you so much for hopping on, but before I let you go, um, I gotta tell you, man, it was awesome to connect with you at speaker School.

Rob: 35:45

I like hanging out with you, your message, you're really, really motivated and passionate about helping other individuals, and I think that's why myself and Chris and a bunch of other guys and everybody at that Speaker School got together so well because people like you and just great to be around. So, guys, I encourage you to connect with him on social media, check out his website and follow him for more, because he's just pumping out a lot of great stuff. But before I let you go, john, I got to ask you if you were to boil all this stuff down into one piece of advice that you would give to somebody. What would that one piece be?

John: 36:26

I'll kind of go with a kind of different lane than what we've been talking a little bit, but I would say, like, have range and what you're learning and taking in with what you're doing. David Epstein's book range, one of my favorites. But you know, whatever your direct sphere areas in your business, job, whatever, like go outside of that to find answers and experiences. You know, I think it's easy to get trapped kind of in our own silos, our own trenches of thinking, but sometimes it's so valuable to get lateral thinking from other areas, other fields, and then bring that into what you're doing. And I think that's that's been huge for me in terms of strength and conditioning and then going into business now and just you know, being able to go into multiple different things and kind of bring that all into what you're doing in your own unique way yeah, I love that.

Rob: 37:17

that's that's actually powerful and it's a great reminder too. I feel like. I feel like that's something that I need to be reminded of frequently. So I appreciate that, and it's unique too. I don't think I've had any guests share that as much as one piece of advice. So I appreciate that and I appreciate you taking the time. I know it's super busy with a lot of things going on, but thanks for carving out the time to come on and share some insight with the listeners.

John: 37:42

Appreciate you, man, and we'll have to talk soon, of course, yeah, it was great having me having being on here, so I appreciate you having me on here first man peace, peace guys.